Dress shirts ... just dress shirts

[BellyTank]

But it's a lot older than that!

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[Matt Deckard]

Buttons were on the back of collarless shirts since before the turn of the century. This is to attach a collar.

As far as shirt with attached collars, I'm only aware of them having a button that goes through the back of the collar as a more recent addition.

 

[BellyTank]

Well, as I mentioned above, at least WW2 German Forces service shirts had them on fixed-collar shirts, I have a couple. I'll take a pic tomorrow.

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[Veronica Parra]

I have seen a few pics of the Duke of Windsor wearing Tab Collars. They create a nice high collar look like you'd get with a detachable.

They do. The Duke of Windsor favored them, and so does Donald Rumsfeld (a pretty odd pairing).

The points of the '20s-'30s tab collars form a 90 degree angle; they have a square look to them. On tab collar shirts from the early 1990s, however, the collar points are much pointier.

-- Marc

 

[BellyTank]

Some pics: vintage collars and back collar buttons.

'40s German Army shirt-

-back collar button-

And another-

'30s Pendleton

'40s Gab-

'40s Chambray-

'40s Pendleton-

'40s Uniform-

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[Matt Deckard]

Very cool picture. I must say that button setup is very different than what you see on dress shirts from the early 60's. I think the styles could be unrelated though I could be wrong.

The fact that the button goes below the collar could mean it is meant for some sort of military uniform function I'm unaware of. We need answers!

 

[BellyTank]

Well- those are military shirts- it serves to hold the tie in place-

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[BellyTank]

This might as well go in this thread-

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[Blue Bayou]

4+" tight long point collar, like in Joe Pesci in Goodfellas

What do they call (& where can I find) a (presumably Italian) dress shirt like the one worn by Joe Pesci in Goodfellas? (See promo poster shots of him)
It was a VERY long point collar, so close together that the knot of his tie was UNDER, rather than above it.

 

[Veronica Parra]

In answer to your question, Blue Bayou,click on the website address below:

http://www.zootsuitstore.com/Shopping/Catalog/dressshirts.asp?subcategory=&wf=9


Look at the third shirt down from the top. It comes in white, black, red, pumpkin and ivory. Recognize the collar? The vendor calls it a "Tony".

You're welcome!

 

[BellyTank]

What do they call it?

GUIDO.

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[otterhound]

Neville Chamberlain

I always find it interesting to see pictures of Neville Chamberlain and his collars. Here is a picture of him from 1940.

See how his collar seems to be from around 50 years earlier? What is this, a detached wing collar? Was anyone except him wearing them in 1940?

 

[scotrace]

"I rather like these collars, my good man. If they were good enough for Grandfather, they're good enough for me. Why, that fellow Germany's WWII-era leader, just last week, told me it was a very nice collar. I think we can trust this chap, he's a right fellow..."

 

[G. Fink-Nottle]

I really like the club collar on Lord Halifax. However, his unbuttoned Bouble-Breasted suit looks sloppy.

 

[G. Fink-Nottle]

I meant Double-Breasted (Better start using the Preview button!).

 

[scotrace]

is that Joe Kennedy on the right?

 

[G. Fink-Nottle]

Yes, it is. The four pictured here (Halifax, R.A. Butler, Chamberlain and Kennedy) represent the absolute worst in Inter-War politicians. Their clothing is their only positive attribute.

 

[otterhound]

I really like the club collar on Lord Halifax. However, his unbuttoned Double-Breasted suit looks sloppy.

Nothing looks worse than an unbuttoned double-breasted jacket.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Nice gut there on Joe Kennedy! And leave it to a Yank to wear such flashy stripes on formal trousers. Lord Halifax seems the best-dressed of the four.

Seriously, in answer to the wing collar question, it was very typical (in the '30s) for this collar style to be worn by diplomats the world over. Japanese diplomats wore wing collars and morning suits as late as the 1950s. And though Chamberlain was Prime Minister in '38, he tended to dress like a diplomat.

 

[3PieceSuitGuy]

It looks to me like...

they are all wearing detachable collars, heavily starched ones too. Love the morning suits! The man in the unbuttoned db does look sloppy though!

Cheers

Peter