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Why not that much love for Schott 530?

Aloysius

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It has no discernable style imo. Why not go all the way and buy a cross-zip? My personal style is flight jackets, but if I were going to go in and buy a black biker/racer jacket, I would get the more Iconic Schott Perfecto, or if money was no object, the Buco J-24. The collar is ugly, you’re better off getting Baracuta G9 in suede if you want a straight zip high collared jacket.

Not really sure what you mean. I don't usually like cafe racers but they are very much their own style, with their own look and pedigree that's different from the aviator-derived styles like 613/618. They come from the top half of two-piece racing suits, the stand collar designed to fit more neatly with the helmet. I don't think we can argue that Steve McQueen looked anything but cool in his stand-collar leather and waxed cotton jackets on his motorcycle races.

There are also jackets that are sort of in-between like straight-zip CHPs. And the collar isn't ugly–in fact it's one of relatively few cafe racer collars I've liked.

A Harrington jacket is extremely different in both look and use case, and I say this as someone who likes them a lot; the suede ones especially are likely to be very lightweight fashiony jackets (nothing wrong with that, but it's a different use case from getting a sturdy waterproof motorcycle jacket.)

FWIW I think as far as icon status goes, the Schott 613 beats the Buco J-24 pretty handily, due to its prominence in the punk rock scene as immortalized by the Ramones. The closest thing to a pop culture moment with a J-24 is probably the somewhat J-24 looking Bates worn by Arnie as the Terminator. Both great jackets, although if I were buying new I would (and did) get the Schott over any repro J-24 on the market. The pattern is simply better, and in my view the hides are hard to beat.
 

WolfofStateSt

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Not really sure what you mean. I don't usually like cafe racers but they are very much their own style, with their own look and pedigree that's different from the aviator-derived styles like 613/618. They come from the top half of two-piece racing suits, the stand collar designed to fit more neatly with the helmet. I don't think we can argue that Steve McQueen looked anything but cool in his stand-collar leather and waxed cotton jackets on his motorcycle races.

There are also jackets that are sort of in-between like straight-zip CHPs. And the collar isn't ugly–in fact it's one of relatively few cafe racer collars I've liked.

A Harrington jacket is extremely different in both look and use case, and I say this as someone who likes them a lot; the suede ones especially are likely to be very lightweight fashiony jackets (nothing wrong with that, but it's a different use case from getting a sturdy waterproof motorcycle jacket.)

FWIW I think as far as icon status goes, the Schott 613 beats the Buco J-24 pretty handily, due to its prominence in the punk rock scene as immortalized by the Ramones. The closest thing to a pop culture moment with a J-24 is probably the somewhat J-24 looking Bates worn by Arnie as the Terminator. Both great jackets, although if I were buying new I would (and did) get the Schott over any repro J-24 on the market. The pattern is simply better, and in my view the hides are hard to beat.
Well I can’t argue with:
1. Steve McQueen
2. Everything else you said

I always forget about this jacket:
 

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JasonY

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I find mine to be extremely comfortable and the leather quality is excellent. It's a Buck and Ball collaboration so I'm not sure if it represents the standard Schott version. If anything, it is a little trim in the chest/shoulders and I feel the sleeve openings are a little forward. The action back makes up for most of this.
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Aloysius

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Saw an ad from Schott today about how the 530 is their bestselling jacket and I laughed because we had this whole bizarre thread about how unpopular it is.
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Edward

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All personal aesthetics aside, the good Schotts are nice. The US made ones are the ones to go for. Insane money new here in the UK now: both London stockists want £1,425.00 for a new 618 or 641. Used they can be had for £400-500, size, condition et cetera depending.

That sort of money, I'd also consider Aero, with comparable models now £400 or do cheaper new, and about the same used. Lewis are now a little cheaper than Schott locally new, rarer on the used market though. I'm considering a career racerctype myself soon; I'm looking at Goldtop, around £400 new, and for my money as good as any Schott I've handled. Far Eastern made instead of US made if that matters to you.

Vanson also do great jackets in this style, though harder to come by in the UK.
 

Aloysius

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It's clearly more popular out there than in here. Interesting, though: I'd have thought for sure it would have been a Perfecto was threir top seller!

I think people seeking out Schott qua Schott are looking for Perfectos but I figure the customers who are simply seeing leather jackets at some kind of men’s or outdoor shop are probably picking out simple things like this, or a collared version, or a civilianised A-2.
 

JasonY

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Full disclosure: I recently sold my 530 but only b/c of a slight (but annoying ) fit issue.
 

Beast_of_Burden

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The 530 and similar styles are sort of seen as the default leather jacket to many people who are just starting getting into leather jackets. Jacket enthusiasts aside, if you are "regular" guy and not a motorcycle rider, getting a Perfecto double rider style can seem pretty intimidating. The 530 is simple, sleek and very approachable.

Like that other poster said, the Camry is one of the best selling cars out there.
 

WolfofStateSt

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The 530 and similar styles are sort of seen as the default leather jacket to many people who are just starting getting into leather jackets. Jacket enthusiasts aside, if you are "regular" guy and not a motorcycle rider, getting a Perfecto double rider style can seem pretty intimidating. The 530 is simple, sleek and very approachable.

Like that other poster said, the Camry is one of the best selling cars out there.

I think this explains why I don’t like Cafe Racers. I saw The Great Escape as a kid, and to me, the A-2 will always be the default leather jacket—not as loud as a Perfecto, but not as subtle as a Cafe Racer. Plus, the A-2 and Perfecto have such rich histories. Yes, there is a history to Cafe Racers, but to me, it just isn’t quite iconic.

I guess I own a Cafe Racer-style jacket if you count the Baracuta G9, which I love dearly, and that’s why I overlook Cafe Racers. But the Baracuta is polyester, not leather, and it has a symmetrical collar. That’s what really turns me off the 530—the asymmetrical collar, but that is completely a personal preference.

The 530 is not a bad-looking jacket, especially if you get the fit right and are in good shape; it can look great.

I just get the sense that the Perfecto is unashamedly a leather jacket, while the 530 is kind of embarrassed to be one. It feels like the leather jacket people get when they are worried they’ll be judged too much for wearing something like a Perfecto. Leather jackets have long symbolized rebelliousness, so something about that just seems counterintuitive.

It’s like buying a Camry when you are afraid that people will think you are trying to compensate for something if you buy a Lamborghini or something too over the top.

TL;DR: Cafe Racers are perfectly good jackets, good as any other, and if you like them, you should get one. But you shouldn’t get one because you are afraid you’ll look ridiculous with something like a Perfecto or a flight jacket, as a compromise to yourself. If you compromise, it probably won’t make you happy, and you’ll wish you had bought the Perfecto or whatever jacket you really wanted. That’s the trap I worry people fall into with jackets like the 530.
 

WolfofStateSt

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Get what you want because you like it, not to impress others, but also not out of fear you’ll be judged if you do.

If I wasn’t an airplane nerd, I’d probably have Cafe Racer but it's just not who I am.
 

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