Date this Tuxedo?

[Jingo Mastapone]

I found this at a thrift store for $40 and it's in perfect condition save for looseness of the front button. The pants are fairly skinny and tapered and the whole thing is very heavy weight. The union tag is washed out and illegible. Can anyone give an idea as to when in time it's from?

 

[Baron Kurtz]

John Collier John Collier - The Window to Watch.

First pattern Collier label. The company came into being in 1950 (or '51). No later than early 60s on the tux, i'd guess.

Milium is wonderful stuff.

bk

 

[H.Johnson]

Spot on.

Milium - the wonder fabric.

 

[MVC]

An answer to your question.

I can tell from your description and the photos that the tux was made from the mid-50's to the mid-60's.
Someday, with some help from here, I may write the book on collectible and classic menswear of the 20th century.

Thanks & Enjoy!

Tom aka MVC

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Another dinner jacket date help...

Thought I might tack on another inquiry.

I look at this jacket and go completely blank. The lapels, and the single button are throwing me. It feels like 40's wool, if that makes any sense. If it was redesigned, they did an amazing job of it.

Any help would be immensely appreciated!

The photos didn't come out very well, photographing black isn't my strong suit.

Thank you,

sincerely,

Sandi

 

[dhermann1]

If you can get a close up of the union label, there are people here who could nail it with a decade.

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Sadly, there is no union label .

Sincerely,

Sandi

 

[Tomasso]

Sadly, there is no union label

Are there any labels that could help us?

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Fixed!

I'll try to post the one in the jacket...

Thanks again!


Sincerely,

Sandi

 

[Tomasso]

Is this the label, LM?

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Yes!

It's the only label.

:/


Thank you!


Sandi

 

[sproily]

I'd venture a guess of mid to late 30's and early 40's.

But I don't know much of the average American tux

Beautiful jacket by the way... whats the size?

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Thank you!

It's on the small side.

Chest measures 37" EXACT.

Waist is 34".

23 1/2" sleeves.

28" down center back.

Sandi

 

[cptjeff]

Thank you!

It's on the small side.

Chest measures 37" EXACT.

Waist is 34".

23 1/2" sleeves.

28" down center back.

Sandi

If that doesn't fit you, I could always use a perfect tux that I have absolutely no occasion to wear. Though it looks like it would be too drapey for the traditional tux look on me.

 

[Lorrel Mae]

I had a couple people at Avalon look at the pictures, they say 70's. Apparently the black and white label was used then.

Amazing! It completely fooled me!

It is listed on etsy, if anyone is interested. (can I say that?)

And considering the later date, I'm marking it down. I need a new clutch in my car (and a cv joint) ASAP!

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sandi

 

[anon`]

I had a couple people at Avalon look at the pictures, they say 70's. Apparently the black and white label was used then.

Amazing! It completely fooled me!

What day were you down there, or more to the point, which people did you talk to?

 

[Lorrel Mae]

Today, I spoke with Paul.

Sadly, I cannot remember the lady's name, if it was spoken! It wasn't Mary Alice, as she isn't there at all anymore.

Does that help? Or hinder?

Thank you,

Sandi

 

[anon`]

Sort of. I ask as I have that particular HSM logo on a suit sporting a 1939 union tag. While it certainly could've been in use in the '70s, it was certainly in use prior to then as well.

I love the Avalon dearly, and Barb almost always has at least one suit of mine at any given time, but some folks down there (Tim especially, and to a lesser extent, Paul) seem to have a tough time with menswear from before the '60s.

 

[Lorrel Mae]

I know I had a Hart, Schaffner and Marx (?) dated to the 20's (by the VFG, people), that had a black and white label, but it was a much smaller label, as I recall. I'll try to find the label, I swear I photographed it.

Thank you so much, for replying!

Sincerely,

Sandi

 

[Lorrel Mae]

I am mistaken...

This is the label from the early Hart, Schaffner, and Marx tuxedo.

So really, I have nothing to go by, other than word of mouth, or educated guesses.

The too sharp lapels, and the single button, rather ward me away from being 30's, at best.

Then again, who am I to say?

I am just trying to find out!

The quality is there, though, the quality has been there for this type of label throughout their history.

Thank you again, for looking!

Sandi